Summary

Frigga and Rich talk with Casey Clark about inclusive Heathenry

Recorded on 21st of July 2024.

Transscript

00:00:11
Rich: Welcome to The Wyrd Thing podcast to continue our season on inclusivity. We have with us Frigga.

00:00:19
Frigga: Hi. Hi.

00:00:20
Rich: My cohost there. And we also have. Do you want to introduce yourself, sir?

00:00:24
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: Yes, sir. My name is Goði Beast. I am the president of Awaken the North.

00:00:29
Rich: Thank you very much. And if we could just start with hearing a little bit about what is awake in the North. If anybody’s not heard of the group.

00:00:36
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: Awaken the North is a non-profit, inclusionary Norse heathen organization with members all around the world.

00:00:45
Rich: And how did you get involved with Awaken the North?

00:00:48
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: I actually started back in 2019. I was looking for a home where there was true inclusivity without the issues of racism and sexism that we see around it and many others. Unfortunately, I was not able to find one. So I decided, you know what? I’m going to start my own.

00:01:12
Rich: You’re the creator of it then. In that sense.

00:01:14
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: Yes, myself. I came up with the idea of making it an international group, worked with the board or councilors. I turned them there, created a council with some really awesome chancellors who know how to do their jobs, and with their help, a lot of their hard work. We were able to make Awaken the Northwoods today.

00:01:37
Rich: So how did you begin to recruit and get people involved? Because starting an organization from the ground up is always very difficult.

00:01:43
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: Right? It really is. But thankfully, I’ve been in the healing community for quite some time and had the contacts and such already built from yours and other organizations, and through word of mouth and people seeing what we were doing, what we were accomplishing, uh, through a lot of folks into our organization.

00:02:04
Rich: Was there any I mean, I hate to say this, but it is the thing that’s necessary. Was there any way of vetting people? I mean, how do you. Because there’s some of these organizations let anybody in and, you know, you can have a problem.

00:02:13
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: Right. We do have a vetting process. Of course, no vetting process is ever 100% accurate, but we try to do the best we can. We have a specific chancellor. It was chancellor of member affairs who is our application guide. He goes through and checks all the different applications that we get in. He’ll do a deep dive on your social medias and make sure that what you are posting and such goes along with what you put in your application. Normally we don’t have too much of an issue, but once in a while we had to decline applications because other things that folks have on their socials that give light to what they put on there, and that’s understandable.

00:02:54
Rich: Yeah. So you’re building this organization and how have you worked inclusivity into that? You know, obviously starting from the ground up, you said that you wanted to have it as a sort of first principle of your organization. How do you do that in your role?

00:03:08
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: Well, inclusivity actually involves several different aspects, and we’re always looking at different ways to improve the inclusivity that we have. Of course, there’s the cultural inclusivity. We have a very active Bipoc community that deals with the issues and such for the Bipoc community. We also have Regner, which is our rainbow plan. That’s for our Alphabet Mafia folks. We have a women’s group. We have a men’s group, we’ve got a kids group. We’ve got all the different groups to help everyone feel welcome in that manner. We also have the inclusivity of varying degrees of disability. We have sight readers. We have different things in place for folks to be able to access the information. I’m actually in process right now, going through the go through our training course and recording all of the lessons in audio format for those who are having issues with the actual reading, whether that’s due to site issues or ADHD. Spicy narrowness, whichever you’d like to call it. Folks who can’t sit down and read a paper and retain the knowledge. We’re doing the video and audio for them so that hopefully that will help as well.

00:04:22
Frigga: Before you move on, could you please explain what BIPOC means?

00:04:28
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: Oh, sorry. Uh, BIPOC is an abbreviation for black, indigenous, and people of color. Basically, it is a catchall for everyone who is not white. The year in America, we have three main categories. You’ve got white, you’ve got Hispanic, you got well, I guess for you’ve got white, Hispanic. Uh, African-American and Bipoc is the group that catches everyone who’s not white.

00:04:56
Rich: I do remember the first time I heard that phrase because I’d heard a person of color PFC but, oh, bisexual people of color. Well, that’s a very narrow category, but, you know. You know, good luck to them. And somebody somebody put me straight on that. Yeah. Right.

00:05:11
Frigga: And when you talk about inclusivity in diversity, you learn so much new words and expressions. We sometimes have to realize that we might be used to them by now, but not all our listeners and not all our listeners. The first language, which is English.

00:05:30
Rich: I mean, you get more complex terms, such as some Latinx, and some people are very in favor of that. And I’ve seen people of that background get very angry about it saying “that’s not an accurate thing. Please stop!” So it can be very contextual there.

00:05:43
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: It’s very contextual. It’s also here in America I know, uh, we are much larger land mass than you folks do. And we have a larger variety of folks here. And I have found that what is acceptable in the northwest is not acceptable in the southeast. What’s acceptable in the northeast doesn’t pass in the southwest. Even here within America, we have differing views and opinions on terminology and what things mean and who’s in what group, and all the different things there. It’s such a broad and evolving culture with the LGBT community especially, as well as the different nationalities. I feel that the culture is evolving so rapidly that even members are having issues keeping up with the current terminology that’s accepting.

00:06:34
Rich: Yeah, I think it’s just a matter of being respectful. And if someone corrects you think, oh, that’s great, and just moving on. Don’t, don’t being not being upset at being corrected I think is fine.

00:06:43
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: Right. Being open to connectedness on our end. If someone asks you not to say this, say that instead. Then by all means say that and say yeah. There also needs to be a little bit of grace on the other side. For those who do mess up in that, we it might be out of ignorance and that they just don’t know or out of angry that have it that we are working on changing.

00:07:06
Rich: Because I remember hearing a great talk at a pagan festival where there’s this person and they said they were talking to various people and they were saying, it’s important also that you understand some of these people may use words which are considered extremely hurtful and very derogatory, but it might generally be they don’t have another word for that in the vocabulary. You know, if they’re talking about trans people or something like that, or they’ll be grappling for a word, you know, and they will get it wrong, particularly for an older generation. But they might not. It might not. I mean, some of them will be doing it out of hate and what have you, but an awful lot of them, you know, it’s just ignorance of the total concept.

00:07:40
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: Mhm. There is uh one of the common phrases that I say here is there’s a difference between ignorance and stupidity. Ignorance is simply not knowing. Stupidity is knowing and doing anyway. Yeah. Mhm. I am fully aware that there are many things out there that I am ignorant on still, but I try really hard not to be stupid.

00:08:02
Rich: Yeah, I think that’s the only way to go forward. Yeah.

00:08:06
Frigga: Yeah, that’s what I always say. Being inclusive means a lifelong learning. Mhm.

00:08:12
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: Uh, the motto of the Awaken the North University is to learn is to grow. Yeah.

00:08:20
Rich: Absolutely. So in terms of the funding and I’m not going to ask you for your bank accounts or anything like that, but in terms of how you get this running, because obviously it’s an awful lot of effort. Having run an organization myself, there’s even the surface and it sounds like you’re doing a lot with the university and the gold program, but you know, the finances, even if it is all voluntary, they’ll still need be some modicum of of finance. And I think you said you were a non-profit. Is that right?

00:08:45
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: We are we are registered non-profit with the United States.

00:08:49
Rich: Mhm.

00:08:49
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: All of our money, income, whatever is done through donations, the biggest chunk being through monthly supporters on our Patreon account. Uh, we do have, uh, financial obligations for the website, for the university website, for various different things online that we have to pay for the Patreon. Thankfully helps cover that each month for the most part. And then whatever extra we have left over, uh, usually goes into a slush fund to help out our members. We have provided financial assistance from everything from a tank of gas to, uh, emergency relocation of a young person across the country to get them out of an abusive situation. Um, uh, we have I have lost count of how many jackets that we have purchased during the winter time for kids that don’t have coats. My Walmart account, I was in there earlier and it has so many different addresses. It was asking me to verify and remove a couple of addresses because I had to me, because it’s easy enough to go on to Walmart.com and place an order for food and have it delivered anywhere in the country. So a lot of members will come to me saying that they’re hungry, they need food, they need money. I will go to Walmart and order them stuff and just have it drop directly to the door.

00:10:08
Rich: Yeah, I’ve done that a couple of times for friends. Um, I’ve tried to do it anonymously. I failed twice, but I mean, the person got the food. They were grateful the third time I managed to do it anonymously, although I think it’s respect. But I always think it’s nice to receive food. Yes. If you send money, you know there can be feelings a bit. I don’t, but everybody likes food. You know, you got to eat. So yeah, I think that’s always a great thing to do.

00:10:29
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: But as you said, Waking North is a purely voluntary, uh, organization. None of the staff, myself included, or any of the chancellors, any of the chairs, anyone who is official with the work in the North, none of us actually take a paycheck. It is all through donations and volunteers.

00:10:45
Rich: That’s excellent.

00:10:46
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: We need more.

00:10:47
Rich: Uh, well, yes, indeed, I think I think I had a question about trigger. I think you need to talk about disability.

00:10:53
Frigga: Yeah, of course, disability is of my interest. It’s a personal interest. I have foggy brains, and it’s really lousy these days, so I don’t come up. Word. Know what it’s doing? What does? Oh, we can cut some stuff out.

00:11:11
Rich: Lots of editing. It’s fine.

00:11:13
Frigga: Yeah. How does awakenings approach people with disabilities? Are there online things and on in person events online?

00:11:22
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: We attempt to make every accommodation that we can to help whichever disability is prevalent. We have a lot of our meetings and discussion, and for certain classes, such are done through discord. We actually found a bot that will transcribe everything you say into the chat room here in discord. That way, those who are having issues with hearing can read everything that anyone’s still saying. It’s kind of like closed captioning on the TV that allows those who are hearing impaired to join us. We do have screen readers built into the Awaken and Author website for those who have vision issues to where they can still see the website, and it will enlarge it on their screens for it’s easier for them to view. I am currently in the process of going through all of the Awaken the North University courses, and doing the audio versions of each one. There’s an audio visual that we folks who might have difficulty seeing, or those with mental impairments, ADHD, and whichever, we have a large contingent of members who are, we call it neuro spicy. We all have some kind of numbers or letters after our names describing what we are, but we try to make every accommodation online to help folks out to better learn and grow. And then at our events, of course, we try to make sure that it is handicapped available, uh, public locations, parks, things like this, restaurants and bars and such, where it is accessible to everybody. So it kind of be mindful of that.

00:12:56
Frigga: Sounds great. Always good to hear that people think about these things.

00:13:00
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: One of the other parts of inclusivity that I do strive for, and apparently is a weird thing for those of us here in the US. Inclusivity is not just about race or physical ability, and also includes religious beliefs. While I am not personally a lock in and I personally don’t really understand it a whole lot. Uh, it’s not for me to judge what y’all believe. And as such, our doors are open for whether you’re officer true or true or true. If you venerate and understand, if you think Fenrir is the bestest of puppies and you just want to boot them on the nose, whichever. Come on over. Join us. Learning group. That’s all we care about.

00:13:47
Frigga: I like that.

00:13:49
Rich: That’s been an issue in America. It’s changed radically in the last ten, 15 years. But yeah, I’m still seeing the the tail end of the anti Lockean type stuff floating around when I got into heaven.

00:13:59
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: Re one of my children being is a Lockean and while I love them to pieces, I don’t understand it myself. But that’s neat. Thing about me is I don’t have to understand it. It’s not my job to understand. My job is to provide the safe space and the welcoming environment where folks can learn and grow how they wish.

00:14:19
Rich: Yeah, absolutely. I have seen events where somebody doesn’t want to heal, you know, they won’t even say his name. They’ll just say Luffy’s son or something like that, you know, or whatever, you know? So so I’ve heard people say that as a as an accommodation, literally. Well, I’m not going to hale because you want me to, but I’m not going to not say something, if that makes sense. Right. One of the things that occurs to me is to turn this lettuce the Uno reverse card. Because one thing I’ve noticed in these voluntary organizations where people are doing the huge amounts of work that I presume you and your accounts doing will do get burned out doing that. Thank you. You know. And what do you do to. Because I’d been running after UK, uh, for, for a number of years and then and the head of the Pagan Federation said, oh, well, how often do you take a break? What do you mean? I said, well, we find our officers need to take a break. You know, even if it’s just a couple of weeks not doing all their duties, you know, once a year. I said, well, it’s been three and a half years. Um.

00:15:16
Frigga: Oh.

00:15:17
Rich: So yeah. So I decided to give myself a little, um, social media break for two weeks.

00:15:22
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: Sometimes I just needed, uh, self-care is what it’s called.

00:15:26
Rich: So do you watch that? How do you work that into your organisation.

00:15:30
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: If you ask me? My answer is, I’ve been doing this for five years. I’m fine. Let’s go. If you ask my mate, she will have a different story and say that I work too much and need to stop sometimes. But on the council itself, we have gone through a couple different enumerations of the council. People have come and gone. Uh, some have come and gone willingly as life picks up. You think you’ve got time to do this thing? You’re doing this thing. Other life happens suddenly. You don’t have time to do it. Resign as chancellor or stay part of the organisation. Hang out. Still. Have fun. Unfortunately, in the American Norse community, that seems to happen a lot, where folks are doing through no animosity or issues or any kind of drama. It’s just, hey, I’ve been doing this. It’s been working great, but now I’ve got a b, c that’s happening in my life, so I need to step down and take care of it instead. Those folks are still valued members of the organization. We still speak with them quite often. I still go to 1 or 2 of them for advice every now and again. Uh, they’re just not active in leadership. Unfortunately, there are those who have come into the position leadership with the idea of, hey, look, I get a fancy title that I get to brag about and everyone’s going to treat me differently. And they usually find out rather fast that it is not simply a title, it’s an actual job. Yeah, and those usually weed themselves out after a short time and are replaced with people who are good at their jobs. Right now we have an amazing counselor. I can’t brag enough about how great our council is. Uh, everyone talks about me being president now. I’m doing all the things, and it’s it’s just not correct. I’m a figurehead. I’m the one that sits here and looks pretty. My counselor, who wants to actually get out there and do things. And it’s amazing to see where they are driving the future, but we can. I’m excited to see once all the different plans come together and the learning really kicks in. It’s going to be an amazing time.

00:17:34
Rich: So how many members are on the council.

00:17:38
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: At the moment? Uh, we’re chancellors and chairs. We have, I believe, 13.

00:17:44
Rich: And what’s the difference between a chancellor and a chair in your organization?

00:17:48
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: Chancellor is, uh, the board members. Chancellor are the ones who have the votes. Chancellors are the ones who do the work. Chair is their indentured servant. If the Chancellor has a chair, the chair is there to help pick up the slack and do the menial work. The different things that the Chancellor needs to have done, but might not have the time to do it themselves. So, like a system I see.

00:18:14
Rich: I was going to ask, have there been any particular challenges that awaken have had to overcome with respect to disability inclusion? So inclusivity just in general?

00:18:24
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: In the beginning it was a little bit of rough patch. I started to awaken the North because I was there. I was the one who had the time. I don’t have the special training. I don’t have any. I put my hands on one leg at a time, just like anybody else. There’s nothing special about me except the fact that I have the time and the desire to get it done at the beginning. I had absolutely no idea what the heck was going on or what I was doing. I had an idea, but I didn’t know how to put it all together. So in the beginning, I will admit that we did have some rough patches and the inclusivity was not as evolved as it is today. I had the desire to be inclusive with everybody, but unfortunately through my own ignorance and lack of ability or desire of some others in the council, the time, the inclusivity for the physical disabilities or the online access and such, those came along later in life. But once I was made aware of the situations and got the proper folks were able to implement the accommodations. We hit the ground running and haven’t looked back. Mhm. But at the beginning it was difficult simply out of my own ignorance.

00:19:32
Rich: But you learned and obviously the you know, and part of that was to make the organization better. So I completely understand that. Yeah. So do you do you do you I mean obviously you’ve learned And that was what I think, what, five years ago or something like that. But in going forward, as the organization grows and gets bigger, what challenges do you foresee for the what what are the the upcoming hurdles you might see in the future?

00:19:55
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: You know, honestly, I’ve been trying to think of that, and that is honestly something that I do not have an answer to. We have had the last two years or so of relatively smooth sailing. Uh, we haven’t had any big issues. We haven’t had any major blow ups. We haven’t had anything that we’ve had to face as a country. We’ve got an amazing council that has an amazing job. For the most part, our members are pretty dang awesome. Uh, we have the thriving community here in discord with a server full of different rooms that folks are constantly, always talking on. One of the things that I am extremely pleased about with the North and our member base is the fact that we’ve all come together as a big family, and typically once in a while there is the random racist or whatnot that will pop into the server, pop in the chat, pop and get past the guard dogs. And what we have found is our PageRank or Sheriff basically is relatively bored with his job because he doesn’t have anything to take care of because our members take care of it themselves. We have a pretty good community that is decent at policing themselves, and when someone comes up and shows their true colors and tries to, you know, line, a lot of times the members will solve the issue before anyone even has any idea.

00:21:21
Rich: Um, when we get them in, in our groups, you know, we often find somebody who joined the group five years ago, has never posted anything or said anything, and suddenly come out with something unpleasant like a drive by moron is basically right.

00:21:32
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: And it baffles me still that you’ve been here for this long. You’re just now interacting. And that’s what you’re going to say, really. We have those once in a while as well.

00:21:43
Rich: Yeah. Yeah. It’s a it is a strange one. So do you interact with, with other accelerators, 1 or 2 big notable groups in America, and do you have any sort of interaction with them, or do you work with them on any projects or anything like that?

00:21:58
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: We have a rather good working relationship with several of the larger, even organizations, as well as the Wiccan organizations. One of our big pushes is for our what we call dreadlocks. That’s the thing that the religious group leader, different branches have different names, but they’re generally all dreadlocks or RL for the Air Force. Basically, what they are are the heathen, uh, pagan chaplains for the military service. Right? They can’t call them chaplains because in the American military, if you’re not one of the three Abrahamic religions Christianity, Judaism or Islam that you cannot officially have a chaplain of your faith. Those are the only three faiths that are recognized in chaplaincy at the moment. So anyone that goes in to lead a service for the heathens or pagans or Wiccans or Egyptians or anyone else, they have to be distinctive religious group leaders. As a registered nonprofit religious organization. Awake in the North is legally able to sponsor Virgos and the six main brands in the military. And as such, we work with several other groups, especially the Wiccans, because they were here first and put their framework down a lot quicker than we did. And they have chaplains all across the world. Mhm. So it’s great to be able to work with them. If we have a weekend show up at a Norse ceremony in Germany at one of the bases, then working with our drills we can say, hey, we are aware of the Wiccan ceremonies. They are over in that building of the Second Crusade.

00:23:40
Frigga: Mhm.

00:23:41
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: And we can help direct them to get to the support they need and vice versa. When a northeastern appears to a weakened ceremony, the Wiccan priestess or Dr. Jill can say, hey Venus, meet over in that building every third Friday and bounce back. And we’ve been able to uh, we’ve been able to really help each other out by networking with the various different organizations. Great. Uh, we’re also working on a big collaboration right now with the Astro community, the Truth Harbor and American military Heathens.

00:24:14
Frigga: Mhm.

00:24:14
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: With a.

00:24:15
Frigga: Public.

00:24:16
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: Announcement, uh, decrying the recent spat of Christianity being forced onto the children in both schools. Uh, over here, we’ve had two big things here within the last couple of weeks where Louisiana has passed a law that the Ten Commandments has to be on a poster in every single classroom.

00:24:34
Rich: Oh, I saw that. Yeah.

00:24:35
Frigga: And then.

00:24:36
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: You know, Oklahoma passed a law saying that.

00:24:39
Frigga: Uh.

00:24:40
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: Public schools have to teach a course on the Bible. Mhm. So these are being enforced on our children and it’s it’s not correct to do it. It’s not separation of church and state is not how America is supposed to be. So we’ve joined up with a couple of different larger groups to release a statement of unity, saying that as, uh, heathens and pagans, we do not support this and we decry the situation. We had similar situation or a similar thing back last year when Roe versus Wade was overturned here. We put out a statement, uh, standing in solidarity with other organizations for women’s reproductive rights and that it is a woman’s body. It is her choice to decide what she wants to do, whether she wants to do anything or not. So when it comes to large political or social impacting things, a lot of times the heathen organizations here in America will stand together and work great. Unfortunately, there comes other times when it seems that several organizations get rather jealous and possessive of their members. If you’re part of this group, you cannot be part of that. If you’re part of this other group, you can’t be part of life. And that’s just that’s.

00:25:52
Frigga: The we’re all.

00:25:53
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: Heathens. We’re all pagans. We all worship the same gods. There’s nothing that should be keeping us apart. Regardless of what organization you’re in. And we can. North doesn’t have that rule. We don’t care what organizations you are part of, as long as they are not overtly racist. Folks like the AFA.

00:26:14
Frigga: Mhm. Indeed.

00:26:16
Rich: Frigga, do you have any questions that you’d like to ask?

00:26:19
Frigga: Yeah, I was wondering, do you have to be a member of Awakening North to join discord channels or maybe other online things, or is everybody welcome?

00:26:31
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: Yes and.

00:26:31
Rich: No. Great question. With the online services, you do not have to be a member to access most of the website, all the social medias, things like this, the discord server, the Facebook pages, anyone is more than welcome to get on. You can find most of it just by searching awaken and or on all the different socials. We’ve got the Awaken North Org, we’ve got 18 University or got all the things. That being said, there are certain places on the website, certain rooms in the discord and private member pages on Facebook that you have to be a member to be able to access.

00:27:09
Frigga: Yeah, because there’s always that, um, very careful line with, um, you know, being accused of, oh, you’re doing pay to pray now, that kind of stuff, which I think a lot of pagans, heathens are really wary of.

00:27:21
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: Um, membership with Awaken North is free. We do not charge membership fees. There’s no annual dues. There’s no nothing like that. Uh, we wouldn’t be in the financial situation we were if we did. Yeah. As long as I’m in charge of a week in the north, we ship is free. Always has been, and as far as I’m concerned, always will be.

00:27:40
Frigga: Mhm.

00:27:40
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: It’s just the membership gives us the ability to vet a little bit, make sure that you are the ones that we want and ring it as such. There’s different parts. For instance our LGBT server on the discord you have to be a member and you have to prove to us that you’re not in there for nefarious reasons.

00:27:59
Frigga: Yeah.

00:28:00
Rich: Of course. Yeah.

00:28:01
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: Before we let you into the LGBT service. Uh, same with Our lady, uh, the Shield mate. She had confirmed to us that you identify as a female. And if that’s the route that you’re supposed to be on, not just some dude in there trying to cause a.

00:28:13
Frigga: Ruckus.

00:28:13
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: For the safety of our members and the various different groups. Uh, especially with ladies group that we just released, we require membership for some exclusive areas. The area that we just released here last month is our new upgrade, which is our kids group.

00:28:29
Frigga: Okay.

00:28:30
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: And as they said, a group led by a couple of our chancellors who really have the heart for teaching the future generations and leaving our legacy.

00:28:41
Rich: That sounds fantastic. I really like that approach of having a kids do it, because for a long time a UK didn’t have any kind of paid membership, but so many people kept asking, look at, well, can we donate to you? I’d like to give a bit of money. And so we said, okay, well, we have our own little, um, donation procedure there, but, um, it is not mandatory to come to our events or anything like that, but it is there if people want it and will do so. Yes, it sounds like a very similar approach we’re taking because I think when we first announced it, does this mean what what extra stuff do those people get? Well, no, they’re getting it because they asked for it, not because we were making them exactly right.

00:29:16
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: We do have the Patreon, which folks are on and sign up to support us monthly on Patreon. We also have our PayPal, which is donations that we can.

00:29:36
Frigga: Offer.

00:29:27
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: On PayPal, which is for folks who want to do one time donations or anything of that sort.

00:29:32
Frigga: Yeah. Well, we’ll.

00:29:33
Rich: Make sure to include your links in the show notes there, I think. Uh, just so people can find them and things. Do you have any questions for us?

00:29:41
Frigga: Uh, I do not at this point.

00:29:43
Rich: Wonderful.

00:29:44
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: Do you have come? I know I’ve not caught up on the podcast myself yet. I apologize, I did something that’s on my list to do, but in speaking with Suzanne and Kate over at Fergus, you’ve come very highly recommended. And it’s been an honor to speak with you on the show today.

00:30:00
Rich: Thank you very much. And it just remains for me to say then, uh, goodbye from Frigga.

00:30:05
Frigga: Bye bye.

00:30:06
Rich: And goodbye, beast.

00:20:08
Goði Casey “Beast” Clark: Thank you very much for your time.

00:30:09
Rich: And, uh, farewell for myself. And we will see you all next time on the way of weird. I just get that stuff. I said way of weird. Didn’t I should have said, uh. Goodness me, I couldn’t even think. The weird thing podcast. I want to say it now. The Weird Thing podcast. So I’ll just edit that in.

00:30:24
Casey: Goodness, there you go.